Logan Paul and John Cena have a deep conversation.
Logan Paul previously shared how he felt he let The Rock down after The Rock cut ties with him following Paul's filming of the suicide forest in Japan in 2018.
John Cena was a guest on Impaulsive, and Paul shared the story again, and got advice from Cena.
Paul: You and Dwayne are two people I definitely looked up to, a lot, when I was trying to figure out the blueprint for my career that didn't exist. Dwayne, especially. My idol. My hero. He's doing it, to the highest degree. I wanted to be like Dwayne. Eventually, in the same way I met you, I met Dwayne. He was just as cool in person as I thought he was on TV. He's awesome. Made content together. Went viral. 70 million views, 50 million views. Linked up a couple of times. Visited him on the set of Ballers. I would have considered us acquaintances, at least. He was great. Then, Japan happened. I could go into so much depth about my remorse and the place I was in and the faults I made at that time of my life. I had to really re-wire my brain and backtrack and ask myself how I let that happen and what went wrong in my life where I thought that was okay. In that process, I did a lot of damage. It wasn't something that was on the forefront of my mind, and I've had to do a tremendous amount of therapy and figure out what in my life happened or didn't happen to where I did that. DJ was one of the people I hurt because of his mother's experience. That's his experience to tell, I'm not going to share. I hurt him. So much so that he basically wanted nothing to do with me, and rightfully so. I let down my hero. He requested that I remove all the content we've ever done together and basically kicked me to the curb. I would have done in the same thing, a guy in his position doesn't want to be affiliated with a person who has done something as reprehensible as that. I remember it being such a low moment because I knew I let myself down, my fans down, my family down, but my idol too. It just sucked so bad. It wasn't like I got the call from him. I got it from the publicist. It's not like he did anything wrong. I think my ego told myself that 'I'm going to remember that and if I ever become great one day, I'm going to remember this and remember the way I was discarded,' and again, rightfully so. I don't think I've ever been truly able to let go of that. I have a lot of stuff to work through in terms of that. I'm not even sure where to go from here, in terms of reconciliation. We're kind of swimming in the same world a little bit in WWE and I see him coming back and i know we're going to cross paths and I just wonder how I'm going to handle it.
Cena: If I may, with an anecdote. You told me a story earlier today about one of the toughest times in your recent life where your fiance [Nina Agdal] was put in a positon that made her and you uncomfortable by a certain human being. You needed to keep your sanity about you and not like your emotions take over. What did you do?
Paul: Forgave him.
Cena: Okay. What I'm hearing is, you made a poor decision. You had to be accountable for that poor decision. You're not alone. We've all done that. In the process, you were very hurt by someone you cared about. You understand it might not have been as impactful for him as it was for you, but it really got to you. I'm not right or wrong, it's just my two cents. Take it or throw it back. I think it starts with your ability to forgive him. If you can get yourself to a place where you can honestly say, 'I forgive,' then I think you can begin the foundation to move forward. I'm not saying forget. Forgiveness and forgetfulness are two different things. If you can bring yourself to a position where you can forgive someone, you can begin to move forward. Just my perspective.
Paul: I totally agree. I think I have an ego problem. It's kind of hard. I can't do it without having a conversation with him. I think that's part of this puzzle, and I don't know if I'm ready for that.
Cena: You don't have to be. Forgiveness comes on your own terms.
Paul: It's here. It'll come. I have nothing against Dwayne. He didn't make any wrong decisions. It's all me. I think part of it is, I fucking hate myself for letting him down and that anger that I have, even against myself, was turned into this drive that I told myself, 'I'm going to be so successful that I don't need your approval or validation or acquaintance. I'm going to do this on my own, with or without you by my side.'
Cena: That's very fair, but if you can say to me that you were hurt because you let him down, why can't you say that to him? What do you have to lose?
Paul: I have to have a conversation with him before I fully close this loop. I can't just say it right now.
Cena: I understand that, but you just said it to me. I applaud you for being able to share all this because that's deep work. I think you just starting there. 'I was wrecked because I let you down.' I don't mean to minimize Dwayne's role in the situation, but let's take him and substitute your dad or someone else you look up to. You being able to find strength to say, 'I know I let you down and that gutted me.' That's okay.
Paul: I know.
Logan Paul is the reigning WWE United States Champion. He is set to defend his title against Kevin Owens at WWE Royal Rumble.
The Rock was named to the TKO Board of Directors on Tuesday.
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